Dreamer wrote:
> <lensman1955@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> >
> > David Johnston wrote:
> > > On 24 Mar 2005 09:18:50 -0800, lensman1955@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Dreamer wrote:
> > > >> <lensman1955@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > > >> news:1111602077.242260.327270@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >>
> > > >> > Actually, they weren't that bad. Sort of "hard core" Edgar
Rice
> > > >> > Burroughs-Mars stuff. What got to me was the hypocricy. (sp)
> > > >>
> > > >> There isn't any hypocracy if you also realize that the books
are
> > > >perfectly
> > > >> consistent in the general case of the specific observation you
> > make
> > > >below:
> > > >> the assertion that men and women are fundamentally different.
> > Whether
> > > >you
> > > >> believe it or not is another question, but it's not fair to
call a
> > > >book
> > > >> hypocritical in one breath and make fun of it for endlessly
> > repeating
> > > >the
> > > >> same message with the next.
> > > >
> > > >I never said he was inconsistent. I think the basic message (men
> > will
> > > >work together to free themselves, women will work against each
> > other.
> > > >Women will be happiest when they learn to be subservient to man)
is
> > > >hypocritical.
> > >
> > > It isn't. Given the premise (that the "natural order" is men on
top,
> > > and women on their knees), there's no hypocrisy involved in
saying
> > > that slavery is bad for men and good for women. It might be
> > > considered pernicious, but not hypocritical.
> >
> > But there is the concept of "men will work together to help each
other,
> > women will betray potential trust and sell each other into
slavery."
>
> Actually there are trustworthy women and dastardly men in the Gor
books: you
> are correct in that they ascribe different psychological traits to
men and
> women but incorrect as to what they are.
The trustworthy women in Gor were those who learned the "proper" manner
of a woman which was subserveance (sp) to the local alpha male (the
hero whose name I just can't recall.)
>
> > But, y'know what? Maybe you're right and I'm using the wrong term.
But
> > it's still a nasty-ass series of propaganda pieces for a nasty
> > mysogonist (sp) mind. I'd love to see a fanfic of Xena wandering
around
> > Gor kicking their collective *****.
>
> There are any number of such fanfics but a Google away. I think my
favorite
> so far has been one in which Gandalf, Rayden, and some others
(including I
> think the Guardians of Oa) were part of some sort of council of
> trans-dimensional beings who tried to put the kibosh on the Marty Sam
(A
> "Marty Sam" is a male "Mary Sue.") uber-wizard going to Gor to help
some
> Terrans who'd been kidnapped and taken there: he mannishly defies
them and
> equips the ragged band with weapons and powers from various
videogames.
> Hilarity ensues.
>
> Probably the best suggestion I've seen for a crossover which would
teach
> Tarl Cabot some humility is to sic Gwen Ingolfsson on him. Absent
massive
> Authorial Intervention, she'd clean his clock. Xena wouldn't be a
> particularly bothersome problem.
>
> M
>
> -><-
> Non curo. Si metrum non habet, non est poema.
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